We all know who ISIS is, and we all know there’s a major worldwide refugee crisis. But what does it even mean? What does it look like on the ground?

My guests in this episode are Jeremy and Jessica Courtney. I met Jeremy a few years ago at a dinner party at a mutual friend’s house in Oregon, and we sat next to each other. We got to talking and discovered we grew up just a few miles from each other in Texas. Small world, eh?

In this chat I’m talking to them from their house in Iraq, where they’ve lived for almost a decade. We talk about ISIS, who they are, what they’re doing, what it looks like right in front of their faces.

We talk about refugees, who they are, what they’re doing, what they really need (it’s probably not what you might think).

And we talk about soap—a really, really cool thing they’ve helped start to help Iraqis fighting for their lives, their homes, and their dignity so that they can provide for their families.

Links from this episode:

• Preemptive Love
• Sisterhood Soap
• Kinsman Soap
• In Iraq, chemical-free is more than a luxury
• Jeremy’s favorite thing: the Sleep playlist on Spotify
• Tsh’s favorite thing: Chuck on Netlflix
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Kinsman Soap makes a great gift! Support Iraqi men who want to support their families:

All photos from Preemptive Love